Rachel - 11/10/00 17:12:13
The willful destruction of art, architecture, and life that is occuring on campus is the most despicable manifestation yet of the third-world ignorance that has overtaken the Movement. That little lake, artificial and inauspicious, was sparkling, lively, peaceful, and home to thousands of god-full creatures that were left dying in the burning sun the summer that lake was drained. I saw the cracked and baked lake bottom emerge as the water was drained and knew that the dream of the hopeful meditators (including me) who cleaned the filth from the abandoned Parsons in 1974 was finally over, and the nightmare of superstition and darkness was in full control. I used to worry that I would be "banned" from campus, a place I loved, if I ever spoke the truth, but now I could not bear to go there and see the destruction. Every fool who has wasted his or her life waiting for some other state of consciousness than the one that is right here right now, should ask, "How can destroying art and life be right action?" I
- 11/10/00 16:26:52
Wilfred D. DeVoe - 10/13/00 17:53:03
What Paul K. said last May about keeping the teaching pure doesn't exactly fit. What we've been getting through Ayur-Veda, Sthapatya-Veda, yaghyas, etc. is still Vedic knowledge; it's stuff that goes beyond TM. But we had to learn TM first, keeping thin s simple, before we could progress to the other things. Consciousness cultured through TM supports the other Vedic disciplines and techniques. Maybe Maharishi thought after so many years of people meditating that they were ready for these other things ( ather optimistic, I would think), or perhaps he gave in to pressure from meditators so anxious to evolve that they were asking him for "more." I don't discount the TM organization's need for funding as an incentive to introduce the other programs. I agr e with Bob Brigante's remarks at his Mumbull Web site that these other programs are most effective when supported by the growing consciousness from the base technique, TM. But it's all Vedic knowledge,so I don't question the "purity" (unless the quality ontrol by the TM organization is flawed?).
test - 09/11/00 17:51:31
Paul K. - 05/18/00 19:12:36
I enjoy meditating, and would like to suggest it more to my friends and colleagues. But I shudder to think what they might hear at an intro lecture about wacky stuff (instant cures, astrology, lucky entrances, etc.) It embarrasses me so much I usually e d up keeping my TM to myself. They might think I believe in it. The movement should cut out the superstitious crap and get back to only talking about what is scientifically verified. The other stuff would be ok if it worked, but it hasn't produced resu ts in 10 years. It detracts from what does work. Keep the teaching pure.
C Sheahan - 05/12/00 01:52:26
It's called MUM now because it is the Home of "Old Wives' tales." Let's bring back Dr. Robert Keith Wallace and Dr. Larry Domash - the last scientific presidents. Enrollment on campus was at its peak. (What scientific research has Dr. Morris published?
Enrollment has declined as unscientific claims increase. Wild claims turn away some of the brightest, such as former MIU Trustee and Secretary of State, Alfred Jenkins.
Lori - 05/04/00 17:21:58
I worked in Telegroup North Building which was "vedic". There were a lot of people getting sick all of the time. Some had to go on Work Comp. Others had to quit entirely. Even after 2 years, many people suffered from nausea and headaches. Since I lef , my health has also improved. I can say it was not the job but the environment. (and building materials)
test - 04/22/00 06:39:23
P.G. Winston - 09/09/99 06:49:59
Sterling Software in Fairfield has laid off 20 of 25 people. Another Sthapatya-vedic Success Story (after Telegroup - one time 2nd fastest growing company which went bankrupt after moving into a SV building)! The only success story is Doug "Greenbacks" reenberg who is getting rich convincing people they will be successful in his buildings.
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I agree with Ken Hassman. Great web site, including a great shot of the Beatles with Maharishi. Ahh, yes. I too long for the days when TM was simple, natural, and scientific.
Bob Brigante - 05/28/99 01:49:21
Anybody know if S.Veda construction is giving any thought to proper disposal of human waste? My (limited) readings of Vedic lit have found many refs to the need to avoid throwing waste into water. There are toilet designs that avoid this problem, but MUM s not using them in their bldgs.
Ken Hassman - 05/23/99 16:12:09
I personally wish Maharishi and the TM movement would go all the way back to the way it was many years ago. The basic premise was that there were three fields of life-action, thinking, and Being, and it was lack of contact with Being that was the problem and by meditating twice per day for 20 minutes we could infuse our mind and body with this Being and our lives would become better. At that time TM was about getting spiritually enlightened and it was a very simple movement with a simple message-a one pr duct message. Now, it's a megazillion dollar enterprise and, in my opinion, has gotten so wieldy and controlling that it is no longer the slightest bit attractive to anyone other than those already in it. I know many many others like myself who, althoug we hold Maharishi dear in our hearts, have become very disappointed with him and wish the whole movement was "simple" again. Ken Hassman
Bob Brigante - 04/19/99 15:26:11
In response to Albert Miller's post on TM research: I'm not a researcher, and don't have a PhD, but it seems to me that in-house research is pretty useless for the TM movement, especially since several ex-MIU people, like ex-Physics Dept. Chariman Dennis oark, have publicly stated that results were fudged. So no current MUM researchers can respond to your statement. They believe that fudging is OK, which morally is acceptable to me in presenting TM to an ignorant world, but on a practical level, just does 't work. What the TM movement should do, as I suggest at my website is to outsource the research to young PhDs at Podunk U who want to be the next R.K. Wallace. Offer a grant to study yogic flying ,-- if it is pretty much effortless, then physiological measures wi l show that gymnasts cannot duplicate the yogic flying hopping for 20 minutes (or even 5) without tremendous physical effort. Bob Brigante
Albert Miller - 02/21/99 06:37:10
TM researchers, please respond to the challenge I gave you below, in particular to the question of why you don't accept and report on any negative data that shows up in your research studies for the "good of mankind." Please don't mince words -- tell me e actly what you know about this scientific necessity -- "for the good of mankind." I am open to useful ideas in this regard, have given a lot to the TM movement in the past and would like to give a lot more to it if I can be rid of this aggrevating stumbl ng block. But I'm not a dummy. Please advise.
Albert Miller - 02/20/99 18:12:19
I am a daily practitioner of TM and savor the results it has made in my life. However, I draw the line at research fraud (see below). I would like to know why all of the 500+ studies on the results of TM practice (annotated on that web site -- all showing gowing, positive results) were performed using without double-blind controls. A double-blind-controlled study is the only research-study method (not "peer-reviewed," "statistical method," and other misleading ideas) that is acceptable in the legitimate sc entific community. TM researchers at MIU/MUM knew this. Why didn't they use these internationally-accepted controls in any of their voluminous studies? These studies would then have qualified for placement in leading scientific journals instead of only in minor journals where most have been published. Or is there a higher agenda to this modus operandi? I would appreciate an honest answer on this from anyone in the TM-research community who values freedom of information and the truth.
Gerome Balmuth - 02/18/99 22:46:22
Dr. Fred Travis has just submitted the Abstract for his ground breaking study on the Southern Entrance Theory. Please see the above URL.
george deforest - 02/16/99 04:58:17
very interesting website. i cast a "yes" vote for the name change to "sthapatyaveda empirical" (but keep the words "southern entrance" in the email name. the result, SERF is very "auspicious" ;-)
george deforest - 02/16/99 04:51:21
I disagree with the comment by Vivek on 02/12/99: > Sthapatya Ved has an effect, but it is only perhaps 1% compared to the other Vedic technologies... The nice thing about SV is, once you rebuild your house, it stays "auspicious" for the rest of your life! Also, I believe the right vastu "holds in" the progress you make with TM, asanas, PK, etc - whereas, a bad vastu lets it leak out, so why waste your onsciousness by staying in a bad building?
Bob Brigante - 02/15/99 23:56:28
The above URL links to a speech by Bevan urging the Aussies to change their south-facing Parliament -- who on earth could possibly see this advice as being appropriate, even if really useful and true? Bevan should think about bringing in a few Iowa Amish advisors if he really wants to take the TM movement out of the mainstream ...
John Stanley - 02/13/99 01:50:51
The page about the MUM pond says, "The lake was created by Nature, but covered over by man." That is a false statement. In fact, it was a manmade lake whose destruction was no less natural than its creation.
Thank you. This sentence has been removed. - Editor
Vivek Dhanaraj - 02/12/99 14:54:53
Sthapatya Ved has an effect, but it is only perhaps 1% compared to the other Vedic technologies. For example, staying rested, doing full asanas and pranayam, full TM and TM-Sidhis program, proper rest, and reading the Vedic literature make up 99% percent Transcending would be the most important, say 80%, for evolution. If you are doing ALL that correctly, then Sthapatya Ved can add that 1% to bring you to 100% progress towards enlightenment. But to be concerned about the 1% SV when you are not doing d ily asanas which may be 5%, or Pancha Karma which may be 10%, is penny wise and pound foolish.
ehillen - 02/11/99 17:02:54
Yes, I like the name Sthapatyavedic Empirical Research Foundation better, if it is ok to use it.
Albert Miller - 02/11/99 16:19:15
For a reference in support of my comments below about TM research, please refer to The Independent TM Research Archive at: http://www.trancenet.org/research/index.shtml
Albert Miller - 02/11/99 05:51:01
So I guess you can say afterwards that "Studies have shown south is best" -- or was that east. It really doesn't matter what is studied at MUM becuz the outcome is always going to support the hypothesis. That's how MMY sold TM to in the early days, after he spiritual approach didn't pan out. They now have over 500 studies proving the validity of TM, studies they did without using blinded protocols -- all with positive results! Magical thinkers, wake up!
Bill Gates - 02/11/99 02:07:17
Maybe if we had an east entrance the DOJ would get off our back!
Bob Brigante - 02/11/99 00:44:46
I gave the wrong file extension for a statement on Jyotish research at my site. The correct file: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/3996/more.html#jyotish sorry! Bob
OK. I made the correction for you - Editor
Bob Brigante - 02/11/99 00:25:27
I think scientific testing of Vedic knowledge is a very good thing, and certainly don't oppose your efforts with SERF. However, architectural effects are a relatively minor component of life, especially in a highly-disordered environment (the Kaliyuga). I recall at the TM teacher-training course at Humboldt State (Aug 70), MMY said to avoid sleeping with head pointed north only if "conveniently possible." S-Veda is valid, but my non-enlightened guess is that it's going to prove to be of little value in convincing the public to start TM (and this is the only value of scientific research, IMO). Testing Jyotish predictions will, I believe, be easy to do, easily understood by the public, and be more subject to the rigor that scienti ts want. See http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/3996/jyotish.html Bob Brigante
- 02/10/99 22:45:40
i am glad you started this message board but i wish you had named it " Eastern Entrance Research Foundation" and thereby spoken to the positive. you will find that Maharishi always speaks to the positive.
Perhaps we can call it Sthapatyavedic Empirical Research Foundation. SERF would like to promote experimental research on all claims of S.V.
Anyone agree? Suggestions? I'll check on the trademark issues. - Editor
atman - 02/10/99 20:11:26
> It is sad to see the beautiful lake covered over in the name of becoming in tune with nature.
What lake are you talking about?
Probably http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Inlet/7360/beforeafter.htm - Editor
Hyde_K - 02/10/99 20:02:18
Here's an argument we don't hear now, but soon will. If everyone in a neighborhood is facing east, and one neighbor refuses to rectify his home, he and his family will be seen as outcasts, ruining the effect for the neighborhood. There are some human ri hts issues involved here.
Test - 02/09/99 19:07:52
This is a test.
J.P. - 02/09/99 08:12:16
It is sad to see the beautiful lake covered over in the name of becoming in tune with nature.
K.H. - 01/25/99 18:35:07
I appreciate your site. It give you something to think about.
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One thing that always impressed me about the TM movement was their adherence to the scientific method. I look forward to reading a scientific research study on this soon. If it is true, research will show it.
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